A World in Collapse?

by Robert Jensen, Alex Doherty

Robert Jensen is a professor in the School of Journalism at the University of Texas. He is the author of Getting Off: Pornography and the End of Masculinity; The Heart of Whiteness: Confronting Race, Racism and White Privilege; and Citizens of the Empire: The Struggle to Claim Our Humanity, among other works. He spoke to NLP’s Alex Doherty about the threat of environmental catastrophe.

You have written that: "To be fully alive today is to live with anguish, not for one’s own condition in the world but for the condition of the world, for a world that is in collapse." Even amongst environmentalists it is rare to describe our situation in such apocalyptic terms. Why do you think it is justified to describe the world as collapsing?

Take a look at any measure of the fundamental health of the planetary ecosystem on which we are dependent: topsoil loss, chemical contamination of soil and water, species extinction and reduction in biodiversity, the state of the world’s oceans, unmanageable toxic waste problems, and climate change. Take a look at the data, and the news is bad on every front. And all of this is in the context of the dramatic decline coming in the highly concentrated energy available from oil and natural gas, and the increased climate disruption that will come if we keep burning the still-abundant coal reserves. There are no replacement fuels on the horizon that will allow a smooth transition. These ecological realities will play out in a world structured by a system of nation-states rooted in the grotesque inequality resulting from imperialism and capitalism, all of which is eroding what is left of our collective humanity. “Collapsing” seems like a reasonable description of the world.

That doesn’t mean there’s a cataclysmic end point coming soon, but this is an apocalyptic moment. The word “apocalypse” does not mean “end.” It comes from a Greek word that means “uncovering” or “lifting the veil.” This is an apocalyptic moment because we need to lift the veil and have the courage to look at the world honestly.

Why do you think many leftists shy away from such language when discussing the environment?

I think not only leftists, but people in general, avoid these realities because reality is so grim. It seems overwhelming to most people, for good reason. So, rather than confront it, people find modes of evasion. One is to deny there’s a reason to worry, which is common throughout the culture. The most common evasive strategy I hear from people on the left is “technological fundamentalism”—the idea that because we want high-energy/high-tech solutions that will allow us to live in the style to which so many of us have become accustomed, those solutions will be found. That kind of magical thinking is appealing but unrealistic, for two reasons. First, while the human discoveries of the past few centuries are impressive, they have not been on the scale required to correct the course we’re on; we’ve created problems that have grown beyond our capacity to understand and manage. Second, those discoveries were subsidized by fossil-fuel energy that won’t be around much longer, which dramatically limits what we will be able to accomplish through energy-intensive advanced technology.  As many people have pointed out, technology is not energy; you don’t replace energy with technology. Technology can make some processes more energy-efficient, but it can’t create energy out of thin air.

I’ve had many left colleagues tell me that they agree with some or all of my analysis, but that “people aren’t ready to hear that yet.” I translate that to mean, “I’m not ready to hear that yet.” I think a lot of leftists displace their own fear of confronting these difficult realities onto “the masses,” when in fact they can’t face it.

The other factor is that truly crazy end-times talk, which comes primarily from reactionary religious sources, leads many people to reflexively dismiss any talk of collapse. So, it’s important to be clear: I’m not predicting the end of world on a specific date. I’m not predicting anything. I’m simply describing what some of us believe to be the most likely trajectory of the high-energy/high-tech society in which we live. And I’m suggesting that we keep this trajectory in mind as we pursue left/feminist critiques of hierarchy and domination, in the hope that more egalitarian and humane models for human organization can help us deal with collapse.

Given the severity of the situation you are describing what are the implications for left activism? Should other forms of activism be abandoned in order to focus on the threat of climate change? How realistic are proposals for alternative economic systems such as green bio-regionalism or participatory economics in the context of climate catastrophe?

First, I think every political project—whether it is focused on labour organizing, resistance to white supremacy, women’s rights, anti-war activity—has to include an ecological component. That doesn’t mean everyone has to shift focus, but I think there is no meaningful politics that doesn’t recognize the fragility of our situation and the likelihood that the most vulnerable people (both in the United States and around the world) are going to bear the brunt of the ecological decline. A responsible left/feminist politics should connect the dots whenever and wherever possible. Here’s one obvious example: U.S. imperial wars, born of a patriarchal system, are waged to support corporate interests in the most crucial energy-producing regions of the world, which are predominantly non-white. Resistance to those wars requires a critique of male dominance, white supremacy, capitalism, and the affluent First-World lifestyles that numb people to the reality that they are morally implicated in these wars. Those wars are dramatically escalating the intensity and potential destructiveness of the coming collapse. Concern for justice and ecological sustainability demands an anti-war and anti-empire politics. There is no way to focus on one aspect of an injustice without understanding these intersections.

Second, more than ever, “let a hundred flowers blossom.” When we know so little about what’s coming, it’s best if people pursue a variety of strategies that they feel drawn to. In Austin, I’m working primarily with one group that advocates for immigrant workers (Workers Defense Project) and another that helps people start worker-owned cooperative businesses (Third Coast Workers for Cooperation). Neither group is focused specifically on the ecological crises, but there’s incredible energy and ideas in these groups, and they create spaces for advancing a coordinated critique of capitalism, white supremacy, and patriarchy, all with an understanding of the ecological stakes. Maybe it’s natural for people to want to believe that they have hit on the solution to a problem, but I believe that the problems are complex beyond our understanding, and it’s not only unlikely that there’s a single solution but there may be no solutions at all—if by “solution” we mean a way to continue human existence on the planet at its current level. We need experiments on every front that help us imagine new ways of being.

Lately you have been writing about the way people react emotionally to the reality of climate change. Why do you believe that is an important topic? What is your emotional response to humanities current predicament? What reactions have you seen in others?

It’s not just climate change, of course, but the multiple ecological crises. Anyone who is paying attention is bound to have some kind of emotional response. I think emotions are important because we are emotional animals. It really is that simple. How can we confront the end of the systems that have structured our lives and not have powerful emotional reactions? Yes, we have well-developed rational capacities, but in the end we are animals who feel as much, or more, than we think. And if thinking and feeling are not wholly separate processes but are part of the way people understand the world, it is folly not to pay attention to our emotional reactions. None of this should be confused with the apolitical therapy culture that dominates in the United States. I’m not talking about emotions separate from politics, but the emotions that flow from political engagement.

To borrow a phrase from a friend, I wake up every morning in a state of profound grief. We humans have been given a privileged place in a world that is beautiful beyond description, and we are destroying it and destroying each other. I cope with that by building temporary psychological damns and dikes to hold back that grief. But the emotion comes so powerfully from so many different directions that life feels like a process of constantly patching and moving and rebuilding those damns and dikes. Some of this is intensely personal, but for me the political work is a crucial part of that coping process. If I weren’t politically active, I would lose my mind. The only way I know how to cope is to use some of my energy in collective efforts to try to build something positive.

There is a lot of individual variation in the human species, which means there will be lots of different reactions as the reality of our predicament sets in. I worry that in a society like the United States, where so many have lived for so long with abundance and a sense of entitlement, people won’t be able to face up to the dramatic changes that are inevitable. That could lead people to accept greater levels of hierarchy and authority if political leaders promise to protect that affluence. In that case, people’s inability to deal with the emotions that arise out of awareness of collapse could usher in an era of even more unjust distribution of wealth and resources in an even more violent world.

The only way to combat that is to talk openly about what we see coming and work to create conditions that allow us to rely on the best of our nature, not the worst.

You dismiss the possibility of technological solutions to climate change but given the severity of the crises we are facing do we not have a duty to try everything we can to avert disaster? Shouldn’t we be ramping up research into alternate fuels and renewable energy resources? What about geo-engineering as way to avert the worst effects of climate change?

I don’t dismiss the relevance of advanced technology to sensible policy proposals. I do dismiss the claim that because we want to solve problems with technology we will invent that technology, and that it will be safe and not cause new problems. I reject that because it strikes me as a fantasy that ignores history and diverts us from the reality of the present.

So, yes, we have that duty, and I support serious investment in alternative energy. My concern is that the culture’s technological fundamentalism leaves people vulnerable to scams. The first step is to recognize we are all going to live in a lower-energy world fairly soon, and that means a massive shift in how we live in the First World. There is no replacement for that fossil energy, and we had better come to terms with that. When we don’t recognize that, we are more easily suckered into absurd schemes like the tar sands in Canada, which is an ecological disaster. The same for biofuels and the absurd claim that we can sustainably replace fossil fuels with ethanol, which is also an ecological loser.

Geo-engineering goes a step beyond that, into real insanity. Proposals to manipulate the planetary ecosystem through schemes like putting reflective particles into the atmosphere, or mirrors in space to deflect sunlight, or altering the clouds—all of them prove that we haven’t learned the most important lesson of the industrial era. We have not learned, as Wes Jackson puts it, that we are far more ignorant than we are knowledgeable. We have a history of imagining that our knowledge is adequate to manage major interventions into the ecosystem, leaving us to face the unintended consequences of those interventions. At this point, there is no rational approach to the ecological crises that doesn’t start with this recognition: We are going to live in a low-energy world that is powered primarily by contemporary sunlight, not the ancient energy of fossil fuels. As a society we are not prepared, in terms of either physical infrastructure or cultural awareness, to deal with that. Anything that further delays coming to terms with this reality is a threat to life on the planet, not a solution.

In a recent talk you said that "I am glad to see the end of most of what we have come to call “the good life,” for it never struck me as all that good, at least not for most people and other living things." In what respects do you think contemporary capitalism has failed to meet the needs of even the most privileged sectors of western societies?

Capitalism is the most wildly productive economic system in history, but the one thing it cannot produce is meaning. Even more troubling is the way, through its promotion of narcissism and mindless consumption, that capitalism undermines the larger culture’s ability to create real meaning. Virtually all of what is good in society—solidarity, compassion, creativity, ethics, joy—comes from outside capitalism, giving the illusion that capitalism is a civilized system. It’s a cliché, but important enough that we sing it over and over: Money can’t buy you love. Capitalism cannot create a healthy human community, and it undermines the aspect of human nature rooted in solidarity and love.

The other obvious failure of capitalism is its contribution to the erosion of the health of the ecosystem. Humans have been drawing down the ecological capital of the planet since the invention of agriculture about 10,000 years ago, but that process has intensified dramatically in the capitalist/imperialist/industrial era. Our culture is filled with talk about the success of capitalism even though that system degrades our relationships and threatens our existence. That’s an odd definition of success.

Are there any writers on this topic whose work you would like to recommend?

Wes Jackson is one of my most trusted sources on these issues. Wes is a scientist working in research on sustainable agriculture, but his critique encompasses politics, economics, and culture. His new book, Consulting the Genius of the Place: An Ecological Approach to a New Agriculture, is due out this fall, and I’m looking forward to reading. I think Bill McKibben’s latest book, Eaarth: Making a Life on a Tough New Planet, is important, though I think his faith in the power of the internet to help us through the transition is dangerously naïve. William Catton’s books Overshoot and Bottleneck have also helped me come to terms with reality.

In addition to the ecological questions, I think we also have to keep focused on the political and cultural questions, about how the existing distribution of wealth and power are serious impediments to meaningful change. That means continuing to think about the predatory nature of empire and capitalism, and the degree to which patriarchy and white supremacy structure our world and undermine our capacity to be fully human.

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17 Comments on "A World in Collapse?"

By Michael Krog, on 03 September 2010 - 07:18 |

Whether we are actually seeing the collapse of the planet as a whole is debatable, at the present time, though the evidence that something ‘big’ is happening is growing all the time.

What’s certain is that ‘capitalism’ is being radically transformed into something else. The religion of eternal and exponential economic growth within the confines of planet with limited and finite resources is increasingly being revealed for what it really is, a false religion, an illusion, a faith based on dogma and sand, kept alive by ‘willpower’ and not much else.

The collosal problem for the left, progressives, and the environmentalists, is that ‘selling’ an alternative economic and social vision that is based on using less of the world’s resources, instead of more and more, is a truly massive task.

In a nutshell one is asking people to accept that, materially at least, things are not going to get better, but worse. That democracy, or socialism, equality and social justice, won’t mean more,  but less. That progress and reform won’t mean a materially better life, because, seen from the perspective of the environment, we are already far too rich for the health of the planet.

We have constructed a socio-economic system that is unsustainable over the longer term, at a level that is simply too high. We are totally out of balance with the ability of the environment to sustain the economic model we have ‘chosen.’

We are facing not ‘just’ an economic crisis, or an environmental crisis, or a climate crisis, but a row of related crises all rolled into a larger whole,  a fundamental and structural crisis relating to our entire civilization. And arguably what we are seeing is the first signs of the collapse of our modern civilization which has reached the end of a long, historic, epoch. The end of the capitalist growth epoch.

This sounds over-the-top, but one needs to consider what capitalism minus growth will look like. It certainly won’t resemble anything we’ve been used to in the rich countries of the world. Prosperity will shrink into ‘islands’ surrounded by massive suffeing. In short we will see a return to a form of fuedalism as prosperity moves back inside the walls of the fuedal castle.

By Kathy McKenzie, on 03 September 2010 - 18:18 |

Some time ago it struck me that Comfort and Convenience is the true national religion, as it were, of the United States and those First World nations that looked to the U.S. as exemplary progress. It is the true idol of post-Industrialism. When I first started thinking about this, I thought I was perhaps a little nutty. But the evidence kept building as friends and countrymen and women strove for more growth in personal wealth and its manifestations and unburdened themselves of meditations on responsibility to one another based on our consumption habits and of course our skepticism of technology as all-good and correcting.

Robert Jensen articulates in a most all-encompassing explanation of how this religion has led us to the brink and how it is manifest in the everyday destruction of relationships and human dignity.  He is right to point out that the problems are too complex for a few-pronged attack. The logical thread is indeed through capitalism, feminism, environmentalism, and I would add, anti-education-ism (what is the word?). And our fear in hearing this? Our being ready? If we aren’t ready to lift the veil now (good to know the root of apocalypse) then we will have some unbearably dark moments when the lights can’t stay on 24 hours a day. Perhaps the return of teaching about the dark night of the soul is now, and not in a frightening way, but to lend respect to that most human emotion and condition which no one escapes: solitude.

By Jan Hart, on 03 September 2010 - 19:35 |

I am most moved by the article as well as the considered and truly respectful replies.  I applaud Robert Jensen and have been following his writings carefully. I must say that I was one of the lucky ones - the veil was lifted from my eyes through catastrophic medical debt followed by foreclosure.  My new life is but a fraction of my former in terms of money, security, comforts and belongings I had grown accustomed to.  But I’ve gained and continue to gain - in finding a deeper wealth inside. I think I have a glimpse of the up side of the down side.  I’m gaining much more than I’ve lost - and I lost nearly everything.  I have no idea how to get this through to others - but we need to let people know that there may in fact be some real gains to losing.

By Robert Cable, on 03 September 2010 - 22:02 |

Jensens’s brave, essential testimony would be a perfect postscript to the excellent book, Empires of Food: Feast, Famine and the Rise and Fall of Civilizations, by Evan Fraser and Andrew Rimas.  We humans will need all of our collective resources of intelligence, imagination, courage and capacity for hard work and sacrifice (plus good luck!) to cope with the growing crises that blinding pride and selfishness have helped to create and, at the same time, to ignore or even deny.
But recognition of a problem, as in Jensen’s message here, is the essential first step to any possible solution.

By liberata, on 04 September 2010 - 00:07 |

“I cope with that by building temporary psychological damns and dikes to hold back that grief.”

Is that a play on the word “dam”  or a “damn” Freudian slip, I wonder???

By pjmora, on 04 September 2010 - 05:10 |

The environment is an emergent issue, and capitalism is the main cause to most evils in our society, but the most imminent issue is the lack of Direct Democracy.

On every elections day, we continue to endorse our right to make political decisions to a few representatives. We need to change our archaic Representative Democracy into an innovative “Direct Democracy.”

We will achieve this only by demanding, during elections,  from political candidates to agree not to make their own decisions, but to legislate only what the citizens have requested on a referendum. Then and only then, we will have the will of the people prevail.

A framework of this system is being promoted by http://www.nowpolling.ca
Check it out.

By michael krog, on 04 September 2010 - 07:33 |

If I’m truly honest, I don’t actually believe, or think, that we are going to change the socio-economic system in time to avoid something close to ‘irreversable’ environmental ‘collapse.’ Sadly, unfortunately, I just don’t see it happening.

I would be more optimistic if the United States looked like pre-revolutionary France and it was 1789 all over again; only it doesn’t. The US reminds me of the Weimar Germany just before the rise of the fascists and their perverted ‘populism.’

Basically I don’t believe the current system of state-capitalism is cabable of being ‘reformed.’ But we don’t actually need reform. We need root and branch structural change, from the top to the bottom. Some might describe this as a social revolution. How, for example, the US ruling elite, who profit so disproportionally from the current socio-economic model, would react to a frontal attack on their position and lavish lifestyles, isn’t hard to imagine. They would react with extreme violence to any real attempt to wrench power over society from their grasp. On the contrary, I believe the ruling elite will use state power, which they control and is, after all, the prime defender of their interests, ruthlessly against any challenge to their rule.

Apart from the little problem of how one institutes something close to a ‘revolution’ in the ‘advanced’, powerful and fabuloulsly wealthy western states, there is also the question of timescale. We should have begun the changeover at least thirty years ago to avoid massive economic dislocation and collosal wrenches to our way of life. But we’ve been racing like madmen in precisely the wrong direction at breakneck speed, and the ‘western desease’ of grotesque and massive over-consumption of the planet’s resources has spread to the rest of the world. The fantasy that China and India can attain lifestyles comparable to California, which is, after all, the capitalist-liberal dogma writ large, is a frightening thing to behold. As if these countries are willingly buying tickets on the Titanic, when they know the iceberg is waiting over the horizon and the journey is doomed!

So, in a nutshell, I don’t believe we are going to reform the current system, revolution is problematic, and we are going to collectively ‘walk the plank’ leading to economic and societal collapse before environmental collapse.

What’s really depressing is that we may not even get that far, the stresses in capitalism are so great that war seems to be the ‘norm’ when the system needs to ‘reset’ itself and begin again.

By chervilant, on 04 September 2010 - 07:58 |

While I have long recognized that I am not alone in my meta-analysis of our species’ hedonistic self-immolation, I am thrilled to encounter the published works of Messrs. Doherty and Jensen.  These men, and the many others among us who have ‘lifted the veil,’ are the points of light that will illuminate the way as humanity struggles to evolve beyond its stultifying adolescence.  That Doherty and Jensen are able to reach a larger audience suggests that growning numbers of us will have the opportunity to ‘lift the veil’ and work together to effect meaningful change.

By Feng Gao, on 04 September 2010 - 18:09 |

We shall use the system to change the system by Bill of Choices - empower you and me!

“The Bill of Choices will make our government more transparent and effective. Our government will let taxpayers choose where their money will go, by setting up accounts for different government departments.

For example, there will be social security account for elderly and economically challenged people; health account for hospital services, and education account for school and training, a transportation account for roads and bridges, as well as a defense account for military. Every quarter the government departments will have the mandate to publish a report telling taxpayers how much money they used and how it was allocated. Additionally, the report will estimate how much money the government will need for the following quarter and for which departments, however the taxpayers will deposit their money wherever they consider more important. There can be a pending account for overflowing funds from other accounts or for someone who has no choices. The pending account maybe used for the underfunded but valuable departments.”

By Nick J, on 05 September 2010 - 18:46 |

Just reading the comments I noted Michael Krog predicitng a return to a form of feudalism. This may be a reasonable projection of our future, and to me the most obvious. Which raises the primary question we should all be asking: how do we avoid descent into a future where we again allow our protection to be given to our worst exploiters? The real debate needs to be around how we elevate our most important institutions, or create new forms to safeguard ourselves as the cirisis unfolds.

By Schuyler Hupp, on 06 September 2010 - 00:21 |

I am disappointed that there has been so little public - academic discourse over the years regarding such issues as natural limits in the face of continued exponential population growth, rising demand for resources, and within the context of our political and economic systems, ill equipped to resolve such immense problems.  Leadership in prominent business and public institutions have yet to address such issues in a meaningful way.

Have you considered starting some dialog on the UT campus?  e.g. Organize a public forum with prominent guest speakers to represent a wide range of disciplines…

By Kathy McKenzie, on 06 September 2010 - 03:25 |

One could look up and read the Wendell Berry essay on the flaw behind the idea of unlimited growth (http://harpers.org/archive/2008/05/0082022). And preceding insights that go back to Heidegger (and maybe before) about human’s disconnectedness from the environment. I can imagine, after so much folly we have been capable of enacting as consumers of earthly resource that there would be an unlimited dialogue on what it has cost and how we might still slow the ship or turn it around. The trick has always been to lure the soma-fed populace away from the rapid gratifications of relative affluence to the enduring ones that the life of the mind offers.

By Gail Zawacki, on 06 September 2010 - 13:42 |

“I wake up every morning in a state of profound grief.”

This is a condition I certainly share.  I think people who deny the imminent collapse understand intuitively that there is no magic technological fix that will enable us to continue our high-powered lifestyle, and they just don’t want to follow the implications to the devastation that will ensue.

I also agree that it is critical to confront the limits if we are to have any hope that humans will turn this cataclysm into something positive.

I came to understand this because I noticed that trees are dying everywhere.  Trying to learn why, I found out about climate change, and peak oil, and ecosystem collapse.  As it turns out, the most urgent problem derives from ozone - the “other” greenhouse gases - which is toxic to vegetation.  Background levels in the troposphere are so high that crops are damaged, which is going to lead to a severe food crisis.  But this topic is almost taboo.

By Ronald L. German Jr, on 06 September 2010 - 17:28 |

“On the contrary, I believe the ruling elite will use state power, which they control and is, after all, the prime defender of their interests, ruthlessly against any challenge to their rule.”

...and its exactly that that has been at least half of the problem. since when was it determined that the “ruling elite” got to have it all for themselves? weren’t they originally supposed to be servants for the masses look at what they’ve become. and the comforts and conveniences they’re “provided” for the masses have made the masses extremely dependent on their handouts and complacent because of them. 

it’s not only time for the masses to wake up to this nightmare we are all responsible for, but to also knock every last one of those f*ckers off their high horses, or get them to fall off on their own.

By Tommy Krenshaw, on 10 September 2010 - 14:30 |

“I think not only leftists, but people in general, avoid these realities because reality is so grim. It seems overwhelming to most people, for good reason. So, rather than confront it, people find modes of evasion.”

You may have just summarized politics, mainstream media, and agriculture.

I appreciate this article because it frames these issues as human and not left/right. That is demented, distracted “modes of evasion.”

“I wake up every morning in a state of profound grief.”

Thanks. I’m not the only one.

By Vibram Five Fingers, on 22 October 2010 - 08:40 |

“I think not only leftists, but people in general, avoid these realities because reality is so grim. It seems overwhelming to most people, for good reason. So, rather than confront it, people find modes of evasion.”

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I appreciate this article because it frames these issues as human and not left/right. That is demented, distracted “modes of evasion.”

“I wake up every morning in a state of profound grief.”

Thanks. I’m not the only one.

By golzbein, on 25 October 2010 - 05:46 |

Some of these comments people are saying here on this issue really seem to make me look at this in a whole new way. I do enjoy the responses though.

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